This isn’t about Flame Wars……
Let’s keep this thing on track. What is the real reason HN wanted TW gone?
Heaven Nose: Heaven Nose is a democracy. We had a poll up that gave our readers the choice between a passive approach or an aggressive Machiavellistic approach. They chose the latter which meant they were willing to fight fire with fire. The goal justified the means. It wouldn’t be the first time in history that such a drastic deed was needed to make this world a better place.The trainwreck site claimed that they just posted information up about a blog and were not responsible nor did they condone it if their readers went to harass that blogger. So in turn,when someone posted their personal information in our comment section, we just left it there and are not responsible for what our readers may have done with it. A lot of people’s confidence was undermined by Trainwrecks
Let me ask readers this question: If alot of people’s confidence was undermined by TW, then what if someone surfs to their site, and leaves a comment that isn’t very nice? Are we turning into a culture of people who cannot take criticism and lash out when someone disagrees with our opinion? Will someone write a review of another blog that is less then glowing and, since Heaven Nose has set the standard on taking on people who are deemed “mean”, what is stopping others from entertaining the same tactics on their own blog? The argument is not about petty flame wars on the internet. It’s about Net Etiquette and responsibilty.
Name, Address and Phone number are not “private” information since it can be published in the phone book. However, being party to passive encouragement of harrassment is the real problem. It was the responsibilty of the blog owner to understand that personal information was posted on their blog and the blog owner should have taken action to immediately distance themselves. A disclaimer, perhaps. “We do not condone directly contacting…” ect etc…
The difference between TW’s claim and HN’s explaination of it is TW posted information about a blog, not the owner.
It can also be argued that HN’s crusade against people they deem “mean” can be misinterpreted and used against people who aren’t really “mean” persay, they just have a different opinion. If we all started doing this blogs would be taken down everyday.
But Why? WHY was it so important for HN to actively take down a website they didn’t agree with? Why? There is something deeper, as I stated before. It makes me wonder what kind of people are actually behind HN. Someone has a problem with self esteem and when they read anything with a less then glowing review of their content, they are probably found in the bathroom crying.
The internet allows anyone to publish anything. It’s not a therapy group and there are no rules saying that anyone has to be nice. There are rules–Laws, infact, that state that being a party to harrassment is a big no no. Who was wrong? A bunch of bored at work people snarking on the internet or a bunch of angry people who passively encouraged harrassment outside of the internet?
And GOOD GOD. Whomever is behind Jawa Report: you are HEARBY STRIPPED of your status of “Star Wars Geek” for wayyy to much republicanism. Ewww.
January 18th, 2007 at 11:18 am
The whole thing is a big fat yawn, really.
If I wanted that kind of crap I’d hang out on a Slipknot board, Deathknell or at my local mall food court.
Keep this “blog wars” bullshit in the corner with the rest of the class dunces.
January 18th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Oh and SKWIZGAR RULEZ!
January 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
It’s Dildoes.
January 18th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
What’s amusing is that in the “interview”, some of the odd phrasing matches that of a few of the different aliases that commented on Zero Boss. Plus, they’re still checking my site (no idea why, but whatever). So for her/him/it to portray the “we don’t care, we’re done” attitude, yet constantly edit and alter (countless times at this point) their farewell - bullshit. To say Google had nothing to do with them closing down all their comment threads? More bullshit - Google shut the whole damn blog down at one point. And for them to say they did it all in the spirit of “noblesse oblige”, that’s bullshit, too. So I’m with you - I call BULLSHIT on the whole thing.
January 18th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
SS–I updated the post after a work related meeting.
January 18th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Maybe we could buy the HN turds off with a bright and shiny new pair of Levis, maybe we could?
After all, they are from Lithuania, Prague or something and are poor, am I right?
Or maybe we could get them to take 10 inches for our porn site (you know you run at least 3!) because, as we’ve established already, they are Eastern Block troll scum, and are thus poor and desperate for American currency, maybe?
Maybe you’re not going to eat that egg salad sanwich?
January 18th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Folks, Meet the Holy FatMan’s husband.
January 18th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Great article Fatman. Can I call you Fatman?
Anyway, I completely agree. I’ve often looked to the Jawa Report as an alternative news source, but they’ve really disappointed me this time. Ridiculous. They have no idea how duped they were.
January 18th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
Sure, Call me the FatMan. I mean, This is my fourth Dimension persona.
Well, The Jawa Report rubbed me, a flaming liberal the wrong way….
January 18th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Quick question - does Jawa moderate their comments? Does anyone know? Because I’ve tried three times now to post a response to their interview, to no avail. And it’s not like I’m flaming or calling them assbitches or something.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:20 am
Probably. If you’ve submitted comments, I suspect they are being moderated. Nice democracy the Jawa Report has going.
January 19th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
I had a friend post my comment for me (it looks funky, but it’s there).
January 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Hmmm… I said that HN needed to get a life.
January 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
HN is bonkers. Their whole attitude is so transparant and their writing really sucks. I am hanging out at the TW refugee camp now for my internet drama kicks.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:49 am
Thanks much for the tip to this site, SSnark.
I too tried to comment at Jawa and it’s not been published. I wasn’t all name-calling and yelly but it still didn’t meet the ‘’standard” apparently.
Whatever, end of the day, I MISS TW. Boo hoo.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Charming…I’m waiting for YOUR site to get chugging…then I’m there! Later for all these others who end up being run by the Devil Incarnate! Oooh, and can you believe there’s a HN FAN CLUB blog!!! YES!!!! I might have somethin’ to say to those nutballs.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
I have it ‘on good authority’ (which I will not reveal) that the well known and widely publicized European IP of HN and the IP of the person pushing and promoting the ‘refugee camp’ the other night DO NOT match. No where close. That’s about all I can say, other than the IP of the ‘promoter’ does raise a question or two in addition to all the others that have been asked.
Granted, I’m a nobody, but a nobody with friends/casual acquaintances who are somebody.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
Hmmm… Someone needs to clue me in….I’ve been away from ‘net access!
January 20th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
…and the plot thickens…
These are people who manufacture their own commentary and respond to rational arguments with infantile comebacks. Don’t they call people who do that in the real world “schizophrenics” and put them in mental hospitals until modern medicine can meld all the personalities into one?
January 20th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
I’m going to hazard a guess that the second IP was from Italy?
January 20th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Nope.
California. However, using two different IP locators, one gives LA and another Sacramento.
By the way, I’m also a nobody with NO sense of ‘these innernets’ intricacies, so who knows what all that could mean.
January 20th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
But, a the very least, are you getting the bigger picture of what questions California alone may raise?
January 20th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Then again, when I put my own in both of these locators I have used, I get two TOTALLY different results, neither of which are correct. But, like I said, I am not internet savvy and don’t understand all the re-routing of servers, etc.
January 20th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
It’s also not entirely out of the realm of possibility that the HN wackos had one of those programs to hide/change their IP. I’ve done a search of the software and it’s surprisingly cheap, $25-35. As obsessed as they seemed, I could see that investment.
Ok. I think I am done. Sorry.
January 20th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
I wrote about how easy it was to get an IP randomizer. It’s so freakin’ easy. Honestly? here is my take—HN is a group effort. Think about it: the biggest targets of TW were the popular Mommybloggers. Remember the first paragraph of HN’s swansong post? It mentioned all of them. Not one of them posts about TW’s destruction, either.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:15 am
I don’t have a dog in this race, I only became aware of TW and HN after TW had committed suicide, but I thought you might want to know. I left a comment here complimenting your post titled, “Fighting in the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics…” I left this comment on the 18th. On the 20th, I had a visitor from Greece. They entered my site through the comment I’d left here.
Just thought you might want to know that you’re comments are being monitored and the commenters are getting checked out.
January 21st, 2007 at 11:18 am
As far as the person who set up the ‘fake’ refugee camp, if you know who this is, you will understand why the Sacramento hit on that IP who was hawking it raises a few questions.
http://www.xeney.com/about.html
January 21st, 2007 at 2:19 pm
OMG—Heaven Nose is watching my site?!?!?!? i think I just wet myself!
January 21st, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Yeah, join the club! I’ve resorted to large fighting dogs and an arsenal to protect myself (said tongue so firmly in cheek it’s almost painful).
On the upside, you’ll see a serious boost in traffic - trust me on that one! {grin} I’m just sad I didn’t have ads on my site so I could’ve made a buck or two off this insanity.
And GREAT point above about the swansong post, BTW. Maybe that has something to do with Jawa not doing a counterpoint interview (or maybe I’ve just seen too much “24″)…
January 21st, 2007 at 5:49 pm
get a load of the comment on my Last laugh post…..
January 21st, 2007 at 6:51 pm
You know they’re reading this one, too. You are being watched. Be afraid - be very afraid. When they did that to me, it was a lure into an ambush. I like you. Don’t go! Save yourself! {cackles madly}
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:43 am
Oh…Home Girl isn’t going anywhere. I will be mean when it’s warranted, nice when needed and say whatever the fuck I want. I hope they continue to watch. More traffic, man….
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:50 am
I continue to like you more every freakin’ day.
January 22nd, 2007 at 11:14 am
Welcome to the internet. The Last Bastion of true freedom.