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	<title>Comments on: Looking over your shoulder&#8230;.</title>
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	<description>YES. WE. DID!!!!!</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ceejay1968</title>
		<link>http://holybuckfatman.com/2008/07/10/looking-over-your-shoulder/#comment-20754</link>
		<dc:creator>ceejay1968</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother was also in an abusive relationship with my father for eight years.  My mother defies every stereotype most people have about what sort of woman finds herself in such a situation.   People just have no clue -for one thing, it happens very GRADUALLY.

As AC says (comment 8, above), men like my father are oh-so charming and polite - and such liars.

I am so glad you got out and that you are well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother was also in an abusive relationship with my father for eight years.  My mother defies every stereotype most people have about what sort of woman finds herself in such a situation.   People just have no clue -for one thing, it happens very GRADUALLY.</p>
<p>As AC says (comment 8, above), men like my father are oh-so charming and polite - and such liars.</p>
<p>I am so glad you got out and that you are well.</p>
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		<title>By: Depresso</title>
		<link>http://holybuckfatman.com/2008/07/10/looking-over-your-shoulder/#comment-19569</link>
		<dc:creator>Depresso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for writing this. I read it on Shakesville, and discovered the link to here on Feministe, after sturggling to catch up with my reader, hence being so late to comment.

Your story is so similar to my own, except that I was lucky enough to not get married before I got out. My own mother, on finding out what had happened, asked a friend "What did she do?" I'm not sure I've ever totally gotten over that, but I can kind of understand; we live in a culture where I "made" him do it. Except that I didn't. I was putting myself through all kinds on unimaginable contortions to avoid it but it still happened. In the aftermath, I was very lucky to have a number of friends who understood, sadly from experience of either their own abusive relationship or supporting people close to them, so I didn't have to fear having to explain myself to each and everyone. 

The last thing I heard of him, as his mother called and asked if we could "discuss all this like grown adults" was him shouting in the background that I was a "fucking storyteller". So, yes, I'll tell my story, and I am so glad to see other women tell their stories, because they've gotten away with it for much too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this. I read it on Shakesville, and discovered the link to here on Feministe, after sturggling to catch up with my reader, hence being so late to comment.</p>
<p>Your story is so similar to my own, except that I was lucky enough to not get married before I got out. My own mother, on finding out what had happened, asked a friend &#8220;What did she do?&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve ever totally gotten over that, but I can kind of understand; we live in a culture where I &#8220;made&#8221; him do it. Except that I didn&#8217;t. I was putting myself through all kinds on unimaginable contortions to avoid it but it still happened. In the aftermath, I was very lucky to have a number of friends who understood, sadly from experience of either their own abusive relationship or supporting people close to them, so I didn&#8217;t have to fear having to explain myself to each and everyone. </p>
<p>The last thing I heard of him, as his mother called and asked if we could &#8220;discuss all this like grown adults&#8221; was him shouting in the background that I was a &#8220;fucking storyteller&#8221;. So, yes, I&#8217;ll tell my story, and I am so glad to see other women tell their stories, because they&#8217;ve gotten away with it for much too long.</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
		<link>http://holybuckfatman.com/2008/07/10/looking-over-your-shoulder/#comment-19075</link>
		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prosecuted DV assaults in misdemeanor court for 6 years.  THe level of charisma, charm and maniuplation DV preperpatrors display is MIND Boggling.  After one year I stopped questioning why and started recognizing - "there but for the grace of God, go I".  I'd like to think I'd recognize the red flags but as one commentator (here or over on Feministe) noted, DV perps are adaptable and can disguise their true selves long enough to pass for decent human beings.  Scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prosecuted DV assaults in misdemeanor court for 6 years.  THe level of charisma, charm and maniuplation DV preperpatrors display is MIND Boggling.  After one year I stopped questioning why and started recognizing - &#8220;there but for the grace of God, go I&#8221;.  I&#8217;d like to think I&#8217;d recognize the red flags but as one commentator (here or over on Feministe) noted, DV perps are adaptable and can disguise their true selves long enough to pass for decent human beings.  Scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Super Carbonated Soft Drink</title>
		<link>http://holybuckfatman.com/2008/07/10/looking-over-your-shoulder/#comment-19066</link>
		<dc:creator>Super Carbonated Soft Drink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father controlled and abused my mom for sixteen years, and she didn't have the courage to leave him until the first time he hit me. Although he had tried to separate her from her roots, friends, and family, we found incredible support in our neighbours, who helped keep my dad away. 

What I think is hard for a lot of people to understand is that abusers can be sweet and charismatic. Everyone liked my dad. His second wife left an abusive relationship because she thought she'd finally found a decent man in my father, only to find out, after they were married and living together, that she was entirely wrong. 

He even abused my mother in front of his family. He stormed into the hotel room where they'd gathered after my aunt's wedding, dragged her to the bedroom, and loudly beat her before storming out again. They did nothing and still refuse to acknowledge what kind of man my father is... because to them, he's a brother, son, friend, and he's always been charismatic and funny. The favourite of six children, even among his siblings. And they still pressure me to spend time with him, even knowing that he tried to trap me into a cycle of psychological abuse that almost turned violent before I stopped going to see him. 

Now he lives with his parents, and he calls sometimes to complain that I never talk to him, and my grandparents, loving him unconditionally, only add to the chorus. Only my mom and people who don't know my father understand. 

I just wish he didn't stand between me and my grandparents. So... I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father controlled and abused my mom for sixteen years, and she didn&#8217;t have the courage to leave him until the first time he hit me. Although he had tried to separate her from her roots, friends, and family, we found incredible support in our neighbours, who helped keep my dad away. </p>
<p>What I think is hard for a lot of people to understand is that abusers can be sweet and charismatic. Everyone liked my dad. His second wife left an abusive relationship because she thought she&#8217;d finally found a decent man in my father, only to find out, after they were married and living together, that she was entirely wrong. </p>
<p>He even abused my mother in front of his family. He stormed into the hotel room where they&#8217;d gathered after my aunt&#8217;s wedding, dragged her to the bedroom, and loudly beat her before storming out again. They did nothing and still refuse to acknowledge what kind of man my father is&#8230; because to them, he&#8217;s a brother, son, friend, and he&#8217;s always been charismatic and funny. The favourite of six children, even among his siblings. And they still pressure me to spend time with him, even knowing that he tried to trap me into a cycle of psychological abuse that almost turned violent before I stopped going to see him. </p>
<p>Now he lives with his parents, and he calls sometimes to complain that I never talk to him, and my grandparents, loving him unconditionally, only add to the chorus. Only my mom and people who don&#8217;t know my father understand. </p>
<p>I just wish he didn&#8217;t stand between me and my grandparents. So&#8230; I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgy</title>
		<link>http://holybuckfatman.com/2008/07/10/looking-over-your-shoulder/#comment-18891</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So so sad ...

and so interesting to read your story.

I knew but didn't KNOW.  This is enlightening. 

So so glad ...

that you and the Shuriken of Truth have each other.

Happy ending indeed. 

Even when you can't catch a break --- you've got each other!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So so sad &#8230;</p>
<p>and so interesting to read your story.</p>
<p>I knew but didn&#8217;t KNOW.  This is enlightening. </p>
<p>So so glad &#8230;</p>
<p>that you and the Shuriken of Truth have each other.</p>
<p>Happy ending indeed. </p>
<p>Even when you can&#8217;t catch a break &#8212; you&#8217;ve got each other!</p>
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		<title>By: Atarun</title>
		<link>http://holybuckfatman.com/2008/07/10/looking-over-your-shoulder/#comment-18889</link>
		<dc:creator>Atarun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for sharing this story.
I'm a 22-years-old feminist girl and I'm ashamed to say I too was culturally programmed to focus on the wrong questions "How could she choose him ?" "How could she stay ?" and so long.
The underlying idea that "maybe victims like it, otherwise they wouldn't have stayed" might be an aggraving factor of abusive relationships to begin with... not to mention the resulting lack of support by society.
You made me realize many things and I cannot begin to thank you for that.

Survive, keep fighting, live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for sharing this story.<br />
I&#8217;m a 22-years-old feminist girl and I&#8217;m ashamed to say I too was culturally programmed to focus on the wrong questions &#8220;How could she choose him ?&#8221; &#8220;How could she stay ?&#8221; and so long.<br />
The underlying idea that &#8220;maybe victims like it, otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t have stayed&#8221; might be an aggraving factor of abusive relationships to begin with&#8230; not to mention the resulting lack of support by society.<br />
You made me realize many things and I cannot begin to thank you for that.</p>
<p>Survive, keep fighting, live.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikita</title>
		<link>http://holybuckfatman.com/2008/07/10/looking-over-your-shoulder/#comment-18883</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said.  Congrats on standing up and getting out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said.  Congrats on standing up and getting out.</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe » &#8220;Why did she stay?&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://holybuckfatman.com/2008/07/10/looking-over-your-shoulder/#comment-18880</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe » &#8220;Why did she stay?&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of victim-blaming and off-topic comments. But The Holy Fatman at Shakesville has a great post up  (also at her own blog) about why those kinds of comments &#8212; and questions like, &#8220;How could such a smart girl [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of victim-blaming and off-topic comments. But The Holy Fatman at Shakesville has a great post up  (also at her own blog) about why those kinds of comments &#8212; and questions like, &#8220;How could such a smart girl [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe » &#8220;Why did she stay?&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://holybuckfatman.com/2008/07/10/looking-over-your-shoulder/#comment-18879</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe » &#8220;Why did she stay?&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of victim-blaming and off-topic comments. But The Holy Fatman at Shakesville has a great post up  (also at her own blog) about why those kinds of comments &#8212; and questions like, &#8220;How could such a smart girl [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of victim-blaming and off-topic comments. But The Holy Fatman at Shakesville has a great post up  (also at her own blog) about why those kinds of comments &#8212; and questions like, &#8220;How could such a smart girl [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: InfamousQBert</title>
		<link>http://holybuckfatman.com/2008/07/10/looking-over-your-shoulder/#comment-18878</link>
		<dc:creator>InfamousQBert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read this on shakesville. thanks for speaking out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read this on shakesville. thanks for speaking out.</p>
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